Fantastic breakdown and visual. An easy interactive thought would be to create a test of some sort to see where you fall. Could help generate an email list.
Beyond that, we should be forging forward on how to bring forth a conservative north wing. I think we may actually have to... if not us, then who? I mean that generally, of course, but it is a real sentiment.
There is clearly a movement toward it; it needs to be organized. You have a unique way of forming cohesion out of scattered truth.
Hello, the text in the graph is definitely sharp enough to be readable, both on my phone and computer. When zooming in while on the phone, the text does become less sharp but it’s easily readable nonetheless.
This is silly. You're irritated by left and right becoming twisted and so your solution is to frame politics with even more vague, arbitrary dimensions. There's no reason to actually characterize ideology as something spatial and continuous, rather than a collection of discrete viewpoints, unless you're trying to do some sort of quantification of politics. And obviously, this is anything but "quant". It's entirely based off of whatever vibes you pick up, and what the Mechanical Wordcel whispered to you, or more accurately whatever it echoed to you. You're just in a very roundabout day defining the "north wing" as "people I like" and "south wing" as "people I dislike". So what relevance does this axis have to literally anyone else? It's just "left-right + how close am I to Asha?" and the evidence is the haphazard mix of actual policy positions and vague aggressive character assessments listed in the Political compass. Don't you think it would do you better to list, you know, politicians or historical philosophers and ideologues on it? Especially considering that this was entirely based on the thoughts of a handful of curated philosophers.
Some of these don't even make sense. The vast majority of these should probably be around the equator as they don't actually give you much of a window into one's spiritual or ideal outlook. "Value of communal living" has nothing to do with belonging to the spiritual aristocracy. Pacifism has nothing to do with belonging to the spiritual. "Aspiration for fundamental improvement" is not left-wing. Corporatism isn't particularly right-wing. The only reasonable way to interpret the axes of a political compass is that the magnitude of a value coincides with its predictive ability. None of these have any predictive ability. Zionism is probably the worst example of all on here. The state of Israel is an entirely contemporary political issue that people with extremely different motivations come together on. You are not going to like to hear this, but the average American Zionist is probably more "north-wing" than the average American Anti-Zionist. Because the Average Zionist, despite being a retarded evangelical, at least believes in some notion of cosmic order and natural law (however perverted it may be), while the average Anti-Zionist is probably a secularist. If they could turn "right-wing" from Monarchism into Neoconservatism, there's nothing stopping them from turning "North Wing" from Traditionalism into Evangelism.
Your north/south access is interesting but ultimately I don’t find it super useful. It falls into a trap where one axis is “the good one” and the other is “the bad one”.
Especially when placing “genuine environmentalism” vs “fake environmentalism” which is very arbitrary. I do agree with you on most things its just I don’t think anyone who doesn’t already agree with us would find this very useful.
I did see a super interesting pragmatic (basically imperialists on the right, bolsheviks on the left) vs idealist (hippies vs christians) spectrum which was based on correlating different political beliefs statistically. I can’t for the life of me find it. Although that system is more descriptive of specific zeitgeists. With stuff like “skepticism in democracy” shifting based on who won the last election. So its not the same thing as this.
One of the clearest characteristics of our people (Indo-European/Aryan) historically, and one we should take to heart is this: Simple and uncomplicated in spirit, yet powerful and unbounding in action.
I think this is great. There is a lot of potential and I think the graph concept really helps put in perspective a reality that breaks free from the false dichotomy of the modern spectrum presented.
that's just my strange writing style, I'm afraid.. I never have AI handle my text—it seems to everywhere butcher the substance of what I'm attempt to say, somehow.
I admit, it did help convince me to turn my usual hyphen - into the new format of '—' ... seeing them side by side the latter looked better. But how *often* they're used is all me... I think I have several—unique—writing quirks... hopefully not too annoying to the eye, but I don't know how to do otherwise.
Some years ago, Frederick Nietzche outlined the necessity for the trans evaluation of all values. I thought that a profound observation at the time.. that was more than a century ago when he made such a proposition. Your historical work has been quite thorough which I have learned much from. I would first like to thank you for that which has clearly elucidated how we have gotten to the position we find ourselves in here and now. Moving forward this outline provides a clear trajectory for this future endeavor. This I think deserves even greater thanks and admiration , for the benefit of future generations. If I may be so bold to contribute some noticeable attributes of the North wing, though very obvious the constituents there of will likely be biogenetic predisposed to living in the northern hemisphere as having adapted to its environs for many millennia. Furthermore , the notion of rotation around the proverbial axle star/ pole seems quite suitable for such nomenclature. Thank you, kindly dear brother may you and yours be well. Please pardon my grammar and punctuation.
I'd be interested to see where the AI would place these stances on the political compass we're more used to, using an authoritarian, libertarian slider. I imagine it would overlap nearly perfectly. Of course, "North" thinking will naturally lead one to recognize order and hierarchy (authoritarianism) and "South" thinking would lead one to believe in blank-slateism/egalitarianism (libertarianism).
Do you consider your north/south spectrum to simply be a sort of revision of the political compass we're all familiar with? Or is there a more fundamental distinction that I'm not picking up on?
A very interesting approach to a project. In recent decades via literature and movies the divide has been posited between technological advancement vs the Troglodytes who oppose all technology.
Your instinct to test out the AI system to create an initial template is smart and does indeed make one think. We must not however lose sight of the fact that AI/Machine Learning is a "garbage in garbage out" type system.
To borrow a term from the infamous Alex Jones we are indeed in an Information War. This not so new generation of warfare must be embraced but also must be overcome.
I am enjoying my subscription to your SubStack, Asha. You are one of the few people I sub to on Twitter who is genuinely attempting to apply logic to understanding the crisis our civilisation is experiencing and how it can be resolved.
However, my admiration for your hard work does not mean I agree with some of your premises. For example, in your compass map, where is God? Our entire civilisation is the culmination of various failed attempts at creating a stable societal system. Christianity has a lot of issues but still enables us to live in harmony with God, Nature and each other. Here is an illustration of how important Christian worship still is to our society.
Recently, I joined a new fitness club but parking is an issue. It is always almost impossible to find a place on Wednesday lunchtimes. So last week I decided to find out why. My investigation led me to a church hall, not far from the club. When I enquired inside, a lady told me they had lunch for around 150 elderly people. It was a humbling experience to see all the old folks enjoying their dinner, all prepared and served by volunteers from the church.
This is how local parishes took care of our communities for a 1000+ years. When I was growing up, the Catholic Church my family attended was also a spiritual centre for the community. I never appreciated it at the time but never considered what would happen if it wasn't there.
Before I was born, my family often moved because of my dad's work and every time they arrived in a new town, the local church would welcome them. It was an extension of our own family. Very often on Twitter, I encounter angry, deracinated young men, who have never belonged to a proper community and possibly not even a stable family. I feel sincerely sorry for them. I was born into the Catholic faith, that was my identity. Now I have returned and enjoy Sunday Mass. It is the only time each week, when the wrath of the tribe, is absent.
I found this to be useful and could be used to great effect depending on the time period one is in. I would say now is one of those. With people utterly disgusted with both the left and the right they are desperately looking for a new idea or rally behind. This could be one example of one which could help "break people out of the box" and serve as a transition to allow more ideas to come forward and ones which don't fit into the previous left/right worldview.
While I generally agree with what is outlined as being the “North Wing”, the interpretations of Right and Left within the context of history, and/or within the context of one domain of civilization (economics, for example), lead to extreme over-complications, of which I believe this is an exemplary case.
Political ideals should not be interpreted as contingent or limited sets of ideas, but as principial, semantic, philosophical verities. In this regard, Right and Left are timeless universalisms, the former of which is a vertical, hierarchical, and integral universalism, and the latter of which is a horizontal, materialist, egalitarian universalism.
Below is a short piece I wrote, whose thesis is essentially that the Left is legitimized by the principle of egalitarian equality, whereas the Right is legitimized by the principle of ontological propriety. This is a more concise way of understanding this divide, as everything exemplified by the “north wing” here is an idea that is originated by the ideal of being proper according to a verified principial design and/or archetype.
Fantastic breakdown and visual. An easy interactive thought would be to create a test of some sort to see where you fall. Could help generate an email list.
Beyond that, we should be forging forward on how to bring forth a conservative north wing. I think we may actually have to... if not us, then who? I mean that generally, of course, but it is a real sentiment.
There is clearly a movement toward it; it needs to be organized. You have a unique way of forming cohesion out of scattered truth.
Hello, the text in the graph is definitely sharp enough to be readable, both on my phone and computer. When zooming in while on the phone, the text does become less sharp but it’s easily readable nonetheless.
Thank you for your work.
This is silly. You're irritated by left and right becoming twisted and so your solution is to frame politics with even more vague, arbitrary dimensions. There's no reason to actually characterize ideology as something spatial and continuous, rather than a collection of discrete viewpoints, unless you're trying to do some sort of quantification of politics. And obviously, this is anything but "quant". It's entirely based off of whatever vibes you pick up, and what the Mechanical Wordcel whispered to you, or more accurately whatever it echoed to you. You're just in a very roundabout day defining the "north wing" as "people I like" and "south wing" as "people I dislike". So what relevance does this axis have to literally anyone else? It's just "left-right + how close am I to Asha?" and the evidence is the haphazard mix of actual policy positions and vague aggressive character assessments listed in the Political compass. Don't you think it would do you better to list, you know, politicians or historical philosophers and ideologues on it? Especially considering that this was entirely based on the thoughts of a handful of curated philosophers.
Some of these don't even make sense. The vast majority of these should probably be around the equator as they don't actually give you much of a window into one's spiritual or ideal outlook. "Value of communal living" has nothing to do with belonging to the spiritual aristocracy. Pacifism has nothing to do with belonging to the spiritual. "Aspiration for fundamental improvement" is not left-wing. Corporatism isn't particularly right-wing. The only reasonable way to interpret the axes of a political compass is that the magnitude of a value coincides with its predictive ability. None of these have any predictive ability. Zionism is probably the worst example of all on here. The state of Israel is an entirely contemporary political issue that people with extremely different motivations come together on. You are not going to like to hear this, but the average American Zionist is probably more "north-wing" than the average American Anti-Zionist. Because the Average Zionist, despite being a retarded evangelical, at least believes in some notion of cosmic order and natural law (however perverted it may be), while the average Anti-Zionist is probably a secularist. If they could turn "right-wing" from Monarchism into Neoconservatism, there's nothing stopping them from turning "North Wing" from Traditionalism into Evangelism.
Now to establish the far North extremist group of Hyperboreans.
Your north/south access is interesting but ultimately I don’t find it super useful. It falls into a trap where one axis is “the good one” and the other is “the bad one”.
Especially when placing “genuine environmentalism” vs “fake environmentalism” which is very arbitrary. I do agree with you on most things its just I don’t think anyone who doesn’t already agree with us would find this very useful.
I did see a super interesting pragmatic (basically imperialists on the right, bolsheviks on the left) vs idealist (hippies vs christians) spectrum which was based on correlating different political beliefs statistically. I can’t for the life of me find it. Although that system is more descriptive of specific zeitgeists. With stuff like “skepticism in democracy” shifting based on who won the last election. So its not the same thing as this.
One of the clearest characteristics of our people (Indo-European/Aryan) historically, and one we should take to heart is this: Simple and uncomplicated in spirit, yet powerful and unbounding in action.
I think this is great. There is a lot of potential and I think the graph concept really helps put in perspective a reality that breaks free from the false dichotomy of the modern spectrum presented.
Well put and I cannot fault any of this clear and concise analysis.
One tip for recognizing AI in text is the overuse of —
that's just my strange writing style, I'm afraid.. I never have AI handle my text—it seems to everywhere butcher the substance of what I'm attempt to say, somehow.
I wonder how much of your work or tweets have been used for training AI then, it had to have learned it from somewhere
I admit, it did help convince me to turn my usual hyphen - into the new format of '—' ... seeing them side by side the latter looked better. But how *often* they're used is all me... I think I have several—unique—writing quirks... hopefully not too annoying to the eye, but I don't know how to do otherwise.
It is difficult to transmit the spirit of one’s words through text, but not impossible.
Some years ago, Frederick Nietzche outlined the necessity for the trans evaluation of all values. I thought that a profound observation at the time.. that was more than a century ago when he made such a proposition. Your historical work has been quite thorough which I have learned much from. I would first like to thank you for that which has clearly elucidated how we have gotten to the position we find ourselves in here and now. Moving forward this outline provides a clear trajectory for this future endeavor. This I think deserves even greater thanks and admiration , for the benefit of future generations. If I may be so bold to contribute some noticeable attributes of the North wing, though very obvious the constituents there of will likely be biogenetic predisposed to living in the northern hemisphere as having adapted to its environs for many millennia. Furthermore , the notion of rotation around the proverbial axle star/ pole seems quite suitable for such nomenclature. Thank you, kindly dear brother may you and yours be well. Please pardon my grammar and punctuation.
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I'd be interested to see where the AI would place these stances on the political compass we're more used to, using an authoritarian, libertarian slider. I imagine it would overlap nearly perfectly. Of course, "North" thinking will naturally lead one to recognize order and hierarchy (authoritarianism) and "South" thinking would lead one to believe in blank-slateism/egalitarianism (libertarianism).
Do you consider your north/south spectrum to simply be a sort of revision of the political compass we're all familiar with? Or is there a more fundamental distinction that I'm not picking up on?
A very interesting approach to a project. In recent decades via literature and movies the divide has been posited between technological advancement vs the Troglodytes who oppose all technology.
Your instinct to test out the AI system to create an initial template is smart and does indeed make one think. We must not however lose sight of the fact that AI/Machine Learning is a "garbage in garbage out" type system.
To borrow a term from the infamous Alex Jones we are indeed in an Information War. This not so new generation of warfare must be embraced but also must be overcome.
Veritas.
I am enjoying my subscription to your SubStack, Asha. You are one of the few people I sub to on Twitter who is genuinely attempting to apply logic to understanding the crisis our civilisation is experiencing and how it can be resolved.
However, my admiration for your hard work does not mean I agree with some of your premises. For example, in your compass map, where is God? Our entire civilisation is the culmination of various failed attempts at creating a stable societal system. Christianity has a lot of issues but still enables us to live in harmony with God, Nature and each other. Here is an illustration of how important Christian worship still is to our society.
Recently, I joined a new fitness club but parking is an issue. It is always almost impossible to find a place on Wednesday lunchtimes. So last week I decided to find out why. My investigation led me to a church hall, not far from the club. When I enquired inside, a lady told me they had lunch for around 150 elderly people. It was a humbling experience to see all the old folks enjoying their dinner, all prepared and served by volunteers from the church.
This is how local parishes took care of our communities for a 1000+ years. When I was growing up, the Catholic Church my family attended was also a spiritual centre for the community. I never appreciated it at the time but never considered what would happen if it wasn't there.
Before I was born, my family often moved because of my dad's work and every time they arrived in a new town, the local church would welcome them. It was an extension of our own family. Very often on Twitter, I encounter angry, deracinated young men, who have never belonged to a proper community and possibly not even a stable family. I feel sincerely sorry for them. I was born into the Catholic faith, that was my identity. Now I have returned and enjoy Sunday Mass. It is the only time each week, when the wrath of the tribe, is absent.
I found this to be useful and could be used to great effect depending on the time period one is in. I would say now is one of those. With people utterly disgusted with both the left and the right they are desperately looking for a new idea or rally behind. This could be one example of one which could help "break people out of the box" and serve as a transition to allow more ideas to come forward and ones which don't fit into the previous left/right worldview.
While I generally agree with what is outlined as being the “North Wing”, the interpretations of Right and Left within the context of history, and/or within the context of one domain of civilization (economics, for example), lead to extreme over-complications, of which I believe this is an exemplary case.
Political ideals should not be interpreted as contingent or limited sets of ideas, but as principial, semantic, philosophical verities. In this regard, Right and Left are timeless universalisms, the former of which is a vertical, hierarchical, and integral universalism, and the latter of which is a horizontal, materialist, egalitarian universalism.
Below is a short piece I wrote, whose thesis is essentially that the Left is legitimized by the principle of egalitarian equality, whereas the Right is legitimized by the principle of ontological propriety. This is a more concise way of understanding this divide, as everything exemplified by the “north wing” here is an idea that is originated by the ideal of being proper according to a verified principial design and/or archetype.
https://open.substack.com/pub/praxia/p/defining-the-right?r=1xcpif&utm_medium=ios
Wht is corporatism south-wing?